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not agree to some higher tax rates for the wealthy, the nation will go over the fiscal cliff, and the american people will hold them responsible. democrats also take issue with the proposal's spending cuts to medicare and social security. republican counter that tough cuts are needed to tackle the soaring debt, leaving washington locked in a stalemate, less than a month before every american sees their taxes shoot up. the gridlock has irritated people outside washington, like deborah page of arlington, texas. >> if i was working the way the president and congress was working, i would probably lose my job. >> reporter: page started a petition that would cease paychecks and health benefits for all members of congress and president obama if they can't avoid the fiscal cliff. the petition's chances are slim. but it's a reflection of americans' frustration with 28 days left. rob and paula? >> tahman bradley live in washington today. thank you, tahman. >>> and as talks over the fiscal cliff drag on, a new poll finds that most americans do not think very highly of congress. one in t
days to keep the nation from going over the so called "fiscal cliff" >> it appears americans don't mind sharing opinions.. even on things that don't exist. a recent poll by public policy polling found 25- percent of americans took a stance on a phony debt reduction policy called the "panetta-burns plan." the proposal was dreamed up by pollers to test how many people would speak on something they clearly don't know anything about. eight-percent of those polled supported the mythical plan and 17- percent in contrast, 39- percent of voters were willing to share their thoughts about the "simpson- bowles" deficit policy up for debate in >> you don't have to look >> >> nobody wants to get this done more than me. >> >> but key players aren't talking in the same room. congressional aides say they're not even >> the president is ready, willing and able, waiting to be able to sit down and seriously negotiate this but they have to be willing to come to the table with specifics. i think the next 72 hours >> some lawmakers are going back to their districts. congress has little scheduled business f
in the right way. the american people can't stomach this. we jam it into the fiscal cliff and blame the republicans for not being logical and not wanting the deal. he has more spending increases than decreases! >> gretchen: remember after the election when people were talking about president obama's legacy and that he would maybe want to be remembered as more of a compromiser and a working across the aisles? it doesn't appear at first blush that that is maybe where we're going with this whole deal thing. first of all, we were talking about maybe we could do a long-term deal right now and really get serious about fixing america's debt. >> brian: with tax reform. >> gretchen: yeah. i think most americans who are reasonable know that there has to be compromise on both sides. but right now, it appears, because the president won this election, that he does not feel the need to compromise, at least 29 days out. >> steve: the conventional wisdom is because the president won -- keep in mind, the country did vote for divided government because the republicans did keep control of the house of
the american people about the fiscal cliff. it's part of the white house push to build support. the president has answered a few questions so far. let's get backe to kristen welker. she's monitoring the exchanges. what have we learned, kristen? >> reporter: good afternoon. most exchanges have to do with questions concerning increasing taxes on wealthier americans as well as cuts to sbimgentitlemen. one exchange caught our attention. this is from mandy. as a recent college grad bout wout a full time job these cuts wouldn't help me, would they? the president responds kitts without revenue equal reductions in student loans, work study and college tax credits expire. bad for growth. the president says like your hair. she has purple hair, tamron. a lot of questions pouring in. as you know when you look at the polls about 60% of americans agree with president obama's plan to increase taxes on those making $250,000 or more. if you look at questions coming in, there's still concerns about those ideas, so the president answering those this afternoon. this is really like a twitter town hall. he used a
president obama has seen these polls. so if there is a fiscal cliff and we go over it, the american public are likely to blame the republicans. >> well, that's absolutely true, piers. we've had an election and the clearest debate and the clearest difference in that election was over the question of whether the rich should pay more and tax rates should go up on the rich. everybody who paid any attention at all knows that the top 2% are now taking home a larger share of total income and wealth in this country than they have in over 80 years and are paying the lowest effective tax rate they paid in over a half a century. we also have a looming budget deficit. so you don't have to really be a rocket scientist to understand that the rich do have to pay more. taxes do have to be raised on the rich and i think that's why over 60% of the public in these polls are not only supportive of a tax increase on the rich, but also will blame the republicans if we go over the fiscal cliff. and this gives frankly, this gives the white house and this gives the obama administration much more bargaining leverag
for the wealthy and quote, sticks the middle class with the bill. so with 29 days to go until the fiscal cliff, what would it take to get a deal? joining me now, men on opposite sides, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform and robert reish, former secretary of labor for president bill clinton and the author of "beyond outrage." none of the three of us are beyond outrage, grover norquist, which is why i keep having you back. the situation it seems to me as an impartial observer here is that both sides have now made fairly ludicrous offers that they know the other side is never going to accept in a million years. that does beg the question, grover, why bother, given that both sides know where they need to move, why the games? >> well, it's not clear that both sides know. the week after the election, president obama was asked do you have to have the higher rates or could we have deductions and credits and he said he was open to negotiations. three weeks later, after thanksgiving, he shows up and all of a sudden there's a line in the sand on rates that had come out of nowhere, so
tweets from americans about the ongoing fiscal cliff negotiations. the white house started a hash tag, my 2 k which refers to the $2,000 the average middle class american will pay in taxes if a deal is not reached. >>> that's how he gets it done, like the rest of us, huh? >> doing it himself. >>> a health scare for a former child star. a stroke that landed frankie muneasy in the hospital. >>> did you know there's a black friday at your doctor's office? why the date of your appointment matters so much. >>> and new this afternoon, a big break in the case of a man pushed to his death on theew york subway. plus, the backlash against the photographer who captured the victim's final moments. >>> a young star in hollywood is recovering today from a stroke. frankie muneasy suffered what he called a mini stroke. the malcolm in the middle star said, he was in the hospital last week, that he needs to start better care of his body and that the whole thing made him feel old. he turns 27 today. >>> at the end of the year, most health care providers are trying to close their books. and many patients are
to peeking over that fiscal cliff and two very lucky americans. they got a whole lot richer. a look back now at the week that was. >> the fiscal cliff, now just 34 days away. >> we only have a couple weeks to get something done. >> listen, this is not a game. >> you'll sign this bill as soon as congress sends it my way. >> susan rice faces more backlash. >> i still have many questions that remain unanswered. >> there are no unanswered questions. >> somebody somewhere is waking up filthy stinking rich. >> lottery mascot doing "gangnam style" for us this morning. >> money, politics and the mix dominated this week that was. the week center on a big worry. >> this fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> we could actually go off the fiscal cliff. >> we're facing a fiscal grand canyon. >> okay. so it's a big deal. question is can these guys strike a deal? >> i've got to repeat. i've got a pen. >> meantime, damage control for u.n. ambassador susan rice out to smooth things over with this week with republicans after those benghazi talking point. >> exextremist elements came to the consula
report. >>> dire warning about what would happen if the u.s. economy goes over the fiscal cliff. survey says 1 1/2 million americans could lose jobs if lawmakers fail to come to agreement automatic spending cuts and tax increases are triggered inside. nationwide insurance warning computer network hacked names, birth dates, social security and driver licenses numbers likely stolen nationwide is apologizing and offering identity theft profession for years. hostess may have a buyer for its wonder bread bran. even with the sale, it could take -- take months before the bread brand wraps up again. >>> estimated 300 million dollar magic kingdom make overincludes pagers so and serving beer and wine themó?5to past five years. >>> abc7 is owned by disney. >>> big change that could be coming to storm warnings because of superstorm san >> dispute forcing bay area -- >>> welcome back. check out last three hours on live doppler, quiet radar returns over the ocean is the beam shooting into the clouds nothing is talling but moist with mist hanging in the -- nothing is falling but moist with the mist
cliff if republicans don't agree to take hikes on the richest americans. and so we welcome peter alexander, at the ranks of the white house correspondents, with a look at all of it. >> reporter: brian, good evening, on the north lawn, the phone call marks the first time speaker john boehner and the president spoke in a week, that is hardly something to celebrate, but they wouldn't characterize what they caused in the phone call as the country barrels towards the fiscal cliff. with no talks and no progress to avert the looming fiscal cliff, you could say the house has left the building, streaming out of the capitol. tomorrow's session cancelled. with only three work days left this year, they are often criticized. just 16 votes. across the country, rising frustration, americans asking why the holdup. and what will their taxes look like in 2013. >> maybe instead of getting my sister two things, you give one thing, you have to give pause on what could happen next year. >> reporter: today, president obama and house republicans are locked in a politicalstair staredown. >> we can probab
here are worried about the fiscal cliff and the potential impact that it could have on american consumers as well as the factories here. eunice yun, cnbc, beijing. >> are those fears right, is the the expansion just investment-led and therefore not worth as much and that seems to be the insinuation? >> also i think china and china manufacturing has always historically been investment led anyway. much less consumer dependent than what we see maybe in europe and the u.s. but, yes, that meeting is just back into expansion territory. that's good in itself. global growth will be looking for china to be going ahead. so good but modest. so any demand elsewhere could have an impact on china. >> have we had the china slowdown? >> we've had mosts of it i think. but again, china is very much in recent line with the cycle of the global economy and we'll be looking for some of the big growth engines to help them, as well. >> what's the chinese swing factor for investors? >> sitting in europe clearly it's something we focus upon. is it a driving force, absolutely not. the tail risk i think is
in california. >> the national news announced the latest on the looming fiscal cliff. house minority leader nets deposing wants to vote. - vote nancy pelosi . >> with a so-called fiscal cliff and higher taxes for all americans looming. >> right now i will say we are nowhere. >> the house speaker blamed the stalemate on the obama administration. he said they are not taking republicans seriously with plans to close loopholes and limited deductions without raising taxes. >> off the president may disagree but the fact is if there is a another way to get revenue from upper income americans that does not hurt our economy why would we not consider it. >> the president wants to in the bush era tax cuts for people making more than a quarter of a million dollars per year. the average middle-class public to pay about 2000 a year more in taxes. >> there is no reason why 98 percent of americans have to see their taxes go up because some members of congress on the republican side want to block tax rate increases for 2 percent of the most wealthy americans. >> nancy pelosi pushing for a house vote. >> we thin
tumbling off the fiscal cliff. 22 occupation members of congress came in second to last just ahead of car sales people. 8% of the people polled gave car dwreerls a high rating for standards. members of congress received highest parks from just 10% of the surveyed. senators did a bit better. governors ranked 15th. nurses most trusted professionals followed by pharmacists and doctor autos california legislature welcomed it's largest batch of freshman lawmakers. 39 new legislateors sworn in at the state capitol today. joining a session. democrats have a super majority for the first time since 1883 in this state, holding 29 of 40 seats. john perez promised to reach out to republican minority. >> i want to state your krois vois is welcome, contributions desired and active services needed. >> early focus will be on a special session called next month to debate implementing the president's affordable health care achblgt san francisco and peninsula remembering a passionate public servant, mike nevin died of cancer after 27 years as a police inspector he entered local politics in san mateo county
between them. >> resa sayah, thank you very much. >>> up next, fiscal cliff futility. in 28 days, crippling tax hikes and spending cuts become a painful reality for every american if a deal does not get done. republicans are offering up a counter proposal to what the president offered a counter proposal that calls for $2.2 trillion in deficit savings. it includes $800 billion in tax reforms, 600 billion in medicare reforms and 600 billion in spending cuts. because it doesn't contain tax hikes for the wealthiest americans or specifics about which loopholes will be eliminated, the president immediately rejected the republican proposal. want to know how far apart democrats and republicans are? listen to this. >> i think we're going over the cliff. >> it's unfortunate the white house has spent three weeks doing basically nothing. >> what we can't do is sit here trying to figure out what works for them. >> the president's idea of negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. >> it's clear to me they made a political calculation. if their ideas are different from ours, we can't guess wha
the republican counteroffer, the proposal to avoid the so called fiscal cliff. it is a $2.2 trillion offer that does not raise the tax rate on the wealthiest americans and that has become the central issue of the negotiations. the white house says republicans still are not ready to get serious. susan mcginnis is in washington with the back and forth details. susan, good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning, terrell. gop leaders here on capitol hill sent their plan to the white house in this letter on monday, and now that both initial offers are out there, both sides say it's time to get serious. governors from six states are headed here to washington today to tell president obama their thoughts on the fiscal cliff. the bipartisan group says both sides need to work together to avoid the tax increases and spending cuts due to kick in at the end of the year. >> no one's going to get what they want, but as a country to move forward, we've got to figure out who gives where, and if everything is going to be out on the table, how do we negotiate that? >> reporter: republicans have given a co
for leadership on this issue. 21 days until christmas. 27 days until cliffmas. that's the fiscal cliff, december 31. people are counting down. two-thirds of americans are watching this debate on capitol hill because it affects every single family, every individual. and you think to yourself, could congress possibly step back and let taxes go up on working families? what are we thinking? we know what they're dealing with. many of working families across america struggle paycheck to paycheck. the pew institute did a study last year and asked working families how many could come up with $2,000 in 30 days for an emergency expenditure. it's easy to imagine one. a car repair, a quick trip to the hospital emergency room, $2,000. only half of working families could come up with $2,000 in 30 days. that shows how close to the edge many people live. so now we have before us the possibility that these very same families struggling with these issues are in fact, are in fact going to see their taxes go up december 31. there's one person who will decide that: speaker john boehner, the republican speaker of the
. >>> we begin this half hour with latest on efforts to avoid the fiscal cliff. the plan being put forward is now coming under fire from within his own party. president obama says there will be no deal unless republicans drop opposition to raising taxes on wealthyest americans. we have more now from washington, d.c.. >> was the white house and congressional republicans put forward a plan to avoid the fiscal cliff, now, they're miles apart, gaining in their heels. the president told bloomberg tv a deal is possible, but... >> this proposal now is still out of balance. >> the plan sent yesterday offers a total of 2 tth $2 trillion in deficit reduction including $1.2 trillion in spending cuts. and00 billion in new tax revenue no. rate increases in top two percent of taxpayers. that is nonnegotiatable for the president. >> we're not going to be able to get a deal without it white house says the math doesn't add up. >> it's magic beebs and fairy dust. >> with just 28 days until deadline, negotiations reach aid stalemate. >> there is nothing going on privately that is not going on publicly. >> th
be to resolve the fiscal cliff position, and then see the american economy, you know, what a fantastic natural advantage is in this huge game change you've got in energy policy to see that economy really take its proper place again. and if that happens, i think that will also, by the way, have an impact on say the eurozone, which is still very, very fragile. >> all the ifs in there. you have written an article, a special to cnn called be bold to escape the economic crisis. that's the headline there. what is the lesson? i mean i think often the big superpowers don't necessarily look to africa, for example, for good lessons on how to strategize. many of those countries, those emerging economies are doing, are growing, at a rate faster than the united states, and favser than many others. >> yes, they're moving ahead very fast as economies. but i think for us efficiently, if you take europe they've got to take some really big decisions now, and as it were, sort out the short-term issues to do with the single currency crisis, and then make the long-term reforms that we're all going to have to make.
bit about the fiscal cliff and that's something we've all been talking about recently, and what it means for us right now and the year ahead. we also have other business news. we'll get back to the president by the way if and when we get that feedback. he will be taking questions from the audience there of business leaders as gregg mentioned. elizabeth mcdonald ever the fox business network is standing by list toning some of what the president had to say about the economy. liz, can you place it in context about where our economy is right now. >> reporter: the president just now was placing it in the -- the economy in the broader context of what is going on in the world, mentioning asia, mentioning europe, and then he turned to what was the most important part of the speech, he started to speak and that is what is holding us back ironically is stuff that is going on in this town, and he also, the president also said, no one wants to get a deal done more than me. so he's trying to essentially give some encouragement to get the fiscal cliff deal talks ignited and going. and so this
the politics and get businesses back on track. >> safeguarding the portfolio ahead of the fiscal cliff. the smartest minds in the game will tell you how. >> making hot profit. >> another american made story you don't want to miss. the second hour of "squawk box" begins right now. ♪ >> welcome to "squawk box." i'm becky quick along with joe kernan. andrew is out on vacation today. the futures are indicated high they are morning. this is coming despite the idea of -- the two sides of the fiscal cliff not any closer on getting any sort after deal done again, we are looking at some green arrows on this friday morning. let's get to some of the headlines that are out there as we. president obama takes to the road today to pitch his already rejected deal to solve the fiscal cliff. he will be traveling to pennsylvania to push his pitch for tax increases on the wealthy. republicans say the campaign-style tactics are getting in the way of productive talks. more companies are announcing special dividends in anticipation of higher tax rates after the new year. whole foods announced a $2 a share
the fiscal cliff. jessi jessica, thank you. >>> as things stand right now, republicans want to keep all the bush tax cuts, but raise $800 billion by limiting some tax deductions, loopholes, et cetera. they also want to save will the $600 billion by cutting health care spending. the president says the republicans' proposal doesn't work because of the math. he wants to raise $1.6 trillion in taxes, twice as much as the republicans. and he wants to do it mostly by increasing tax rates on the top earners and proposes to cut health care spending by $350 billion. i'm joined by gloria borger. where do we stand on the expiration of the bush era tax cut? >> we are where we are, and what was interesting to me in listening and reading the transcript of that bloomberg interview today with the president, sometimes you have to listen to what the president did not say. of course, he wants the tax rates on the wealthy to go up. did he specify the 39.6% rate of the clinton years? he did not. so is there a little give ultimately to sort of say what if it doesn't go up to 39.6%, but say 37%, is that somet
to avert the fiscal cliff. coming up next, i'll talk with a hard-line conservative and let's ask him if he supports his party's proposal. congressman tom price is standing by. but first, as americans worry about what happens after the first of next year, cnn is giving you free advice about your savings account. >>> here on the help desk, we're talking about putting your money to work. with me this hour are greg olson and carmen wong ulrich. tova had a question about her savings. >> it is earning dreadfully low interest for numerous years. and is there anywhere that i can put my money that it's going to do any better? >> and that's going to be like that for a while with the fed doing its thing, right? >> absolutely. i don't think this is a bad thing. if this is your cash emergency savings that you cannot risk, basically what you're paying is very small opportunity cost. like insurance. so let's say you're earning 1% on your savings, right, inflation is eating away at it a little bit. it is certainly a lot lower than having to go into credit card debt because you no cash on hand. you want to
the american economy. i've been warning you for months about the fiscal cliff, the economic storm of our own making. today, we saw a report indicating that u.s. manufacturing essentially ground to a halt in november. one of the culprits was clearly the uncertainty for business that has been created by this fiscal cliff threat, orders for new goods are flat. factories are cutting workers. this can be fixed. it is reversible. but the signs are clear that the damage is being done. quite a different story by the way over in china where manufacturing output, which had been slowing, picked up in november. it had months of slowdown. now, back to washington. what are the chances that lawmakers in washington will act in time to avert the fiscal cliff? if you go by what both sides are saying right now, not great. >> what we're not going to do is extend the tax cuts for the wealthiest americans. those cost a trillion dollars over ten years and there is no possibility that we're going to find a way to get our fiscal house in order without the tax rates going back up. >> nobody wants to go over the cliff
wednesday. they offered support for resolving the fiscal cliff crisis with a proposal that includes higher taxes for those who make more than a quarter million dollars a year. >> at this point both sides have acknowledged that there is going to be revenue concessions and there will be entitlement concessions. in fact if you listen to it, again, i'm not a master of the political art here, but i would say if you have these point of views in the business context as close as they are, i would say a deal would be in reach. >> interesting. bill ford jr. agrees with blankfein saying he's confident the obama administration can reach a deal with congress to avoid the fiscal cliff. but speaking with reporters in bangkok, ford says the automaker is prepared for any outcome. and it seems there's been a bit of a panic among retail investors in the credit market amid pointing fears other the fiscal cliff. our next guest says that could create buying opportunities. he's brian reynolds, chief market strategist. brian, good morning or good night, i guess i should say, depending on whether you've been to be
the so-called fiscal cliff. >> you have to nail this down. uncertainty is killing us. >> reporter: top economists talked about the impact of tax increases and government spending cuts on the middle class. >> a couple thousand dollars, means a couple months rent for this family. >> reporter: the white house has made clear the country could go over the cliff, if republicans refused to raise taxes on the top 2% of american earners. >> for them to be burdened, unnecessarily, because democrats and republicans aren't coming together to solve this problem, gives you a sense of the costs involved in very personal terms. >> reporter: republican leaders say they will close loopholes loopholes and eliminate tax breaks to raise money. but insist that bush-era tax cuts must be extended for all americans. >> reporter: the standoff and the country's skyrocketing debt, concerns ryan shenecki. so much so that he's the guy in the suit, dancing gangnam style with former senator allen simpson. >> i'm keeping up on this baby. >> reporter: his group, the cankicksba
, not a serious offer. one second. tim geithner from sunday. >> to go over this fiscal cliff because republicans won't raise tax rates on the wealthiest 2% of american would subject the average american to big tax increase and enormous damage from the other cuts that would happen. there is no reason why the country has to go through that. bill: the focus is all on taxes and tax rates and not on spending. how can you be serious when you want to raise $1.6 trillion in taxes at a time when growth is around 2? >> that's the point i was making. they complain about want to go cut spending but they made no offer to cut spending. when the president talked about cutting spending, when they talk about defense spending what happens? they attack him. for the entire campaign all we heard about was how obama wanted to cut medicare. so which is it? i it he cut too much or he doesn't cut anything? and where is there offer? if they say they are the party of cutting spending stop talking about the democrats, make an offer. >> mitch mcconnell is out there every single day saying these are the entitlement changes t
up on the wealthiest americans, there will be no deal to avert going over the fiscal cliff. >> we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> reporter: house republicans are adamant, no tax rate increases. >> we're willing to put revenues on the table. revenues that come from closing loopholes, getting rid of special interest deductions and not raising rates. >> reporter: but what the republicans are offering sounds a lot like what the president wanted during last year's budget showdown. >> give us $1.2 trillion in additional revenues, which could be accomplished without hiking tax rates by eliminating loopholes, eliminating some deductions. >> reporter: today, however, the president says those moves will not be enough. and the latest pew poll shows a lot of public pessimism. with 49% of the public saying they do not expect a deal to be struck by the deadline. 40%, a little more optimistic. george? >> sure looks like this will go right to the deadline. jake, thanks very much. >>> george, now, we're going to get
over for the fiscal cliff. the republican plan has will00 billion for tax freerm 900 billion in mandatory spending cuts and 300 billion in discretionary cuts. the proposal falls short of what the president wants and cannot be taken seriously. >>> we understand they don't agree with everything the president has put on the table but we haven't seen alternatives for that. they have spoken about an avenue and that challenge is welcome. republican leaders have been adamant they don't believe rates ought to go up on the top 2 percent of wealthiest americans. the american people overwhelmingly disagree. the rates have to rise and republicans need to acknowledge that. >> the major difference between the two sides is over taxing on the rich. obama wants to raise taxes on the wealthy. obama wants to eliminate deductions and close loopholes plus cut spending for entitlement programs. the president has said there can't be tax cuts for the rich at the expense of the domestic program which is frustrating for some republicans. >> this president, i think the president with president obama he
the fiscal cliff. >> reporter: lawmakers are getting an earful about why they need to avoid the so- called fiscal cliff. >> you gotta nail this down. uncertainty is killing us. >> reporter: top comiftds -- economists came to capitol hill thursday to talk about the impact of tax increases ask government spending cuts on the middle class. >> a couple thousand dollars means a couple months rent for this family. >> reporter: the white house has made clear, the country could go or the cliff -- over the cliff, if republicans refuse to raise taxes on the top 2% of american earners. >> for them to be burdened, unnecessarily, because democrats and republicans aren't coming together to solve this problem, gives you a sense of the costs involved in very personal terms. >> reporter: republican leaders say they will close loopholes and eliminate tax breaks to raise money but insist that bush-era tax cuts must be extended for all americans. >> reporter: the standoff and the country's skyrocketing debt concerns ryan shenecki. so much so that he's the guy in the can suit
've got a fiscal cliff now. we have the fiscal abyss next year. we need to say, don't come home. no deal, no break. members should be in washington at least five days a week like every other american and not leave until they deal with the fiscal cliff this year or until we get a grand bargain next year. they would pull off seven times more days -- >> david faber tweeted this morning that they should be locked in a room and forced to listen to the animal orchestra until they have a deal. >> david faber's hair. >> you put them in a room. you tell them they're going to sit there until the deal is done. day three, no more food. day five, no water. day seven, the waterboarding begins. that would get it done. >> and the president should be there, too. >> the president does work five days a week. >> but not in the same room. but he is home. he's already home. >> but listen, they spend too much time raising money. if they did a good job, they wouldn't have to raise as many money. if they got paid for performance, they wouldn't have any money. >> are you going to run for linda mcmahon's seat? >>
laid down this harsh fiscal cliff marker. >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans. remember, it's only 2%. >> reporter: that danger not enough to keep congress in session. it's already quit for the week as most lawmakers assume correctly, they are not players until there's a deal. president obama, in a meeting with some of the country's largest corporations demand that congress raise the debt ceiling without any strings attached. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, i will not play that game. because we've got to break that habit before it starts. >> reporter: the president sees the fiscal cliff showdown as an opportunity to break that linkage for good. republicans say they will not increase the debt ceiling now $16 trillion and due to expire in februar
to the fiscal cliff. timothy geithner on the president's offer to to republicans followed by a response from grover norquist. >> we're trying to make it more likely we come together on a good agreement for the american people that extends tax cuts for the middle class. >> do you think we'll get a deal by the end of the year? >> i do. the only thing standing in the way of that would be a refusal by republicans to accept that rates are going to have to go up on the wealthiest americans and i don't see them doing that. >> if the president doesn't stamp his feet and get his way, he should get into a room and negotiate. instead of hearing rhetoric, that was show, no economics. let's have it in front of c-span cameras. . if the republicans are being reasonable, we'll see that, if they are not, we'll see that. >> joining us is reporter for politico. ladies first. did anything that you just heard suggest we're any closer to it an agreement? >> not really. the white house has put forth this plan, this proposal. congressional republicans, house speaker john boehner rejected it. he was flabbergasted by
washington bickers over the fiscal cliff and who's going to pay more in taxes, in great britain, lawmakers are telling some american companies it is time to start paying their fair share there in the uk. even throwing around terms such as shame, outrageous when talking about it. executives from google, amazon, and starbucks all appeared before a parliamentary committee looking into how international companies minimize the tax they pay in the uk. richard quest is in london to explain it all. now, richard, not necessarily talking about tax evasion here. it's more like avoidance, minimization, what's the concern? >> reporter: that's exactly the point. the companies are not breaking the law, not doing anything wrong. the accounts committee described their actions as immoral claiming they have r. so arranging their tax affairs so as to pay no tax in the country where the money is earned. this applies to google, which uses ireland, applies to amazon, on the continent, and it applies to starbucks in amsterdam. what we learned is how these companies arrange their affairs. so even though the latte
to do in the short term is avoid the fiscal cliff. the major decisions with regard to tax reform, social insurance programs, et cetera, can't and shouldn't be made until next year, after the american people are engaged and the committees do their work. >> david gergen, how do you get the political solution that opens the door to the policy conversations? >> well, i was encouraged that the republicans actually came forward with something today. a lot of people thought they would not. the president as you know, his team rejected it late this afternoon, but nonetheless, if people truly want to find a bridge to avoid the fiscal cliff, a way to get to the big issues as david walker says would have to come next year, i think they're the makings of it here. each side will have to compromise some more. each side will have to eat a little crow but i think it's imperative that the president take the view that what he's looking for is a win-win. if they take a win-win approach, i think they can get a deal. >> comment on that point. if two wrongs don't make a right but the two nonstarters maybe make
: a lot of the leadership and the players in these fiscal cliff discussions coming to the microphones moments ago. here is eric cantor, here is what he said. >> we have not had any discussion and any specific w-s thispecifics with this president about the real problem which is spending. we have got to do something about the spending. an obsession to raise taxes is not going to solve the problem. what will solve the problem is doing something about the entitlements, taking on the wasteful spending in washington. we can't just keep borrowing money and raising taxes and roblem to go away. that is our point to the president. as the speaker said, we want to sit down with the president waoerbgs wan, we want to talk spefrs. w specifics. we put an offer on the table. he out of hand rejected that. where are the specifics, and the discussions, nothing is going on. meanwhile people of this country are the ones who suffer. we ask the president, be specific about the spending, so we can address the wasteful spending in washington and address the problem. martha: eric cantor and john boehner saying
will be getting ahead of the fiscal cliff. but let's get another view of this. gary richards is a senior corporate tax partner. that's the point. these american companies who are evading taxes who the politicians want to come down on, they're doing nothing wrong. the problem lies in the uk tax code, isn't it? >> indeed. the uk tax code is complicated. and that in itself provides an opportunity for companies to plan. also some of what they want to do. it's very important to make this distinction between avoidance and evasion. evasion is illegal. avoidance is looking at the law and seeing what opportunities there are to minimize costs and tax is just another cost of doing business. >> so the long and the short of it is successive governments, whether they be coalition, torrey, labor governments have made a right mess. why is that this tone that is so complicated that creates all these opportunities for avoidance? >> it's because people have built anti-avoidance legislation on anti-avoidance legislation rather than actually thought about what they're trying to tax. but part of the problem with the u.
't push the country over a fiscal cliff we're likely headed for more economic growth. right? one of the best economic forecasters around says not only is the u.s. economy headed for a recession with or without the fiscal cliff, he says we're already in one. listen to what the person of the cycle research institute told me today. >> the recession has started. we are a few months in to it. and i think if you wanted to argue against me, i would point to jobs, jobs are still growing but looking at the last seven recessions in three of them, jobs continued to grow in to the recession. >> his group bases this on four economic indicators. let me show you. industrial production, that's all the stuff, top left, all the stuff made in the u.s. personal income, you know what that is, sales and employment. look at those lines. based on official government data this year they show a drop off in three of the four indicators starting in july. only employment is steady. that's july. that means we're in a recession right now. may sound obvious to some of you or ridiculous to others but when it com
with business leaders focusing on ab boarding the fiscal cliff. on capitol hill democrats and republicans are not meeting and a deal does not seem to be close. in a just-released gallup poll, 62% of americans want to see a compromise. 25% want republican and democratic leaders to hold firm on spending cuts and tax increases. major garrett is at the white house this morning. >> reporter: there is a common thread running through all of this. the public wants a deal. so do the governors, mayors, civic leaders, business executives and everyone else who has come through capitol hill and the white house to talk about the fiscal cliff. for the first time since this drama began to play out on a very public stage, yesterday there were no substantive negotiations or conversations whatsoever, none at all. and here is what the public thinks about all this. if, in fact, the nation does go off the fiscal cliff and negative consequences ensue, by a two to one ratio, by the most recent poll, it will blame republican, not the white house. the white house knows this, believes it's in a strong position and
if romney didn't win. this fiscal cliff negotiation seems doomed. am i being pessimistic? >> we're basically spending like europeans, but being taxed like americans. at some point you got to decide which you want. basically american government spending now is getting close to norwegian levels. and at that point, you can't have american tax levels. >> brian: what is their level? >> they spend 46% of gdp and people pay that. that's reflected in their taxes. america is basically borrowing $188 million every hour in washington. seven days a week, 24 hours a day, thanksgiving, ramadan, whatever. that gap cannot be closed by sticking to to the rich. >> brian: don't you think the president realizes that or do you think he fully realizes that in. >> oh, yeah, he does. this is the cunning thing. he's going to blame it on the rich, blame it on the republicans. but right now if you're just an average working guy with an average income, your taxes are going to go up because for him -- pour for the president, it's not about the economy. it's about government. it's about the size of government. not the ec
for digging into this stuff. we've got the debate about the fiscal cliff and the debt ceiling and we're talking in the trillions. before you can even get to the trillions, if you can't stop stuff like this, does the american public ever believe that washington is going to get its act together if you can't stop this 100,000 here, million there, all, of course, adds up to billions. if we can't stop the zombies, taxpayers paying for the zombies, how can we ever tackle medicare and social security? [laughter] megyn: that's the thing that makes people upset, julie. all right, if you're going to increase my taxes to help pay down the debt, help people in need, that's one thing, but if i'm going to be paying for zombies or for santa to ride the $250,000 sleigh, i object. >> i'm a little embarrassed. can you imagine being an employee and having to pretended to be a zombie? >> those were actors. >> i don't know about that. [laughter] i think they may have been dhs employees dressed up. charles is right, thanksgiving a little ri -- this is a little ridiculous. i understand what they're trying
on washington, d.c. and trying to figure out every last move in the fiscal cliff? do you worry about that from your colleagues in the house? >> well, i've got to tell you, i've been here 18 years. this is going to be a negotiation between the president of the united states and house speaker john boehner. and so we have engaged in some charades over the last 18 years where we all like pretend to be working in our offices, but we're not doing anything to get this done because there's nothing we can do. this is going to be a discussion between the top leaders of the house and the white house. and when they signal -- sort of like the pope being elected. when the white smoke comes out of the capitol, we can come back and execute the deal. >> wow, i don't know how i feel about the whole pope reference, talking about congress. >> that's better than being sentenced to church, i guess. >> i suppose that is true. and, in fact, that's going to be our next story. steve latourette, always nice to have you. when you're in new york, we would love to have you come and sit down with us on our panel. >> would l
on the proposal that was offered by the white house on the fiscal cliff. this is jon. independent line. hello. caller: hello. first of all, happy holidays. not sure. happy holidays, anyway. second of all, you people are journalists. you people are true journalists. i watch every day of the week. and one more thing, that fool that called yesterday, must be a product of inbreeding the way -- i don't know how they let him in. host: before we go back to yesterday, what do you think of the proposal today? >> caller: well, you don't know what they do behind closed doors. what they put out to the public is one thing and from both parties. they both have a little spin here and there. politicians to me, ha, i could tell you a story that happened when i was a kid in the 1950's. i'm originally from new york and some woman asked a politics who was running, why should i vote for you? and he said outright, because time biggest crook in this neighborhood and that guy was always voted in all the time because he was honest. we don't know what goes on behind closed doors. people are getting all worked up about
for averting the fiscal cliff. the republican plan seeks $800 billion through tax reform and mandatory spending cuts. the white house said that the republican proposal falls short of what the president wants and cannot be taken seriously. >> we understand they don't agree with everything but we have not seen alternatives for them and they spoke about the need for revenue and that acknowledgment is welcome. but thus far republicann leaders are adament don't believe rates should go up on the top two percent of the american people. the american people disagree. rates have to rise and the republicans need to acknowledge that. >> that's the major difference between the two sides. tax hikes for the rich x. republicans want tax reform and eliminate deductions and closing the loop holes. the president said on twitter, there can't be tax cuts at the rich at the expense of domestic programs. >> the biggest problem with president obama is he is a small-pinded president in big times . he talk about 35-39 that doesn't get us out of debt. >> that is tough rhetoric for senator lindd say graham. the president
. >> financial advisers. >> you really want the fiscal cliff to be settled. i mean, this would be awful for you and your firm and for a lot of americans, too. be for financial advisers to have people paralyzed again. it would be the worst case scenario. >> one of the things i said at the investor conference was that we feel like we can grow our business even if the market backdrop remains cautious, which is how it's been now for transactional activity has been lighter. >> a percentage of assets. >> that's a big part of our growth story. we call it our managed accounts platform. we have $556 billion in managed accounts at morgan stanley wealth management. that's one of our two major growth areas. the second being the lending business, which you talked about earlier. we've been working the last couple years to build our out banking and lending business. our peers are bigger in that. but as we get more and more of our financial advisers to lend with their clients, we have significant growth there. >> plus you get assets back from citi, too, right? >> we now have an agreement in place where we can
-called fiscal cliff is a solvable problem. critical as the holidays approach and businesses make investment and hiring decisions for next year. while polls show many americans are pessimistic, there's optimism in this home. >> i got a sense that he's confident that what's best for the american people will happen. >> yeah. >> reporter: you agree? >> yes. >> i do too. >> reporter: but for now, the gop's resisting any tax increases even on those upper income americans. house republicans of course have made the counteroffer with $800 billion in new revenue and an overhaul of the tax code. wolf, they feel as if they have moved the ball, but they don't believe that the president is interested in avoiding the fiscal cliff. >> these negotiations, dan, they usually go until the bitter, bitter end. a lot of folks are assuming that before that end there will be a deal. give us a flavor of the mood at the white house. >> reporter: well, i think they're preparing for this fiscal cliff scenario to play out, wolf. but as you point out when we look back over the last three years, we've had these kinds of n
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